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Modern Art Music Movement · October 23, 2026
Victor Hugo (host) | Etienne de la Boetie² (guest)
Victor Hugo
Hi. This is the Maverick Artist Victor Hugo, reporting modern art gonzo journalism for the Modern Art Music Movement. It is where I am, near the border with Russia, Turkey, Armenia, and Azerbaijan, a camel ride away from Kazakhstan, the Ukraine, Israel, Syria, Iran, Lebanon, Palestine, Yemen, and the Gaza Strip, Friday, October 23rd, 2026, where my guest is Etienne de la Boetie².
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Victor Hugo
I hope I got that name right. It is also Friday. He is in Thailand. But where you are listening to from in the United States of Israel, it's probably still Thursday, October 22nd, 11:30 PM in New York, and I think it's about maybe 9:30 PM in California.
Just a reminder, my job is not to be politically correct. It is to witness, observe, analyze, and document the beautiful chaos that surrounds us all so that future generations can understand how we got to this moment in time where... Thank God it's Friday. I'm really excited. My guest is the author of The Greatest Theft in Human History, and he is a, I guess you'd say, controversial in this day and age where the truth has become illegal and smart has become unlawful. The dumber, the better. The more ignorant, the more chance you have to move up into positions, and you can become president of the United States. So welcome, Etienne de la Boetie the 2nd. Welcome to the show.
Etienne de la Boetie²
It's a pleasure to join you and your audience.
Victor Hugo
Wow. Where do we begin, man? I've seen some of your interviews, and you've got so many great points. And I was at the US Naval Academy. I was a whistleblower there because I witnessed the sexual assault of a female midshipman. And I realized that they were grooming me to be a psychopath, and it went against everything that I was originally taught because the honor code was "I will not lie, cheat, or steal, or tolerate anyone who does." But the moment that I witnessed a violation of the honor code, which was sexual assault, I wasn't the only one. A bunch of people witnessed it. A bunch of people who are now high-ranking officers in the military, which is why I'm not surprised that we're in the mess that we're in, because there is no honor. There is no integrity. There's no code of honor in the US military. So I was the only one who spoke out.
And because I spoke out, I met with Vice Admiral Virgil Hill, who you don't meet unless, you know, there's a problem. And I met with them and they said, "Hey. Listen. You know what? Maybe you didn't see what you saw. Maybe you just think you saw it." And I was like, "No. I saw it." And they were like, "Well, you know, maybe you could say that you didn't really remember what you saw and you're not too sure." And I was like, "No. I was sure." Anyway, long story short, they wanted me to lie. So it was a conflict for me because I was 19 years old, and I had my whole naval career ahead of me. And being at the US Naval Academy, which is the premier leadership laboratory according to the US, I was being taught that lying, cheating, stealing, and raping were honorable things to do. So I decided not to do that.
So they said, "Okay. Listen. We're gonna give you an honorable discharge. Just go into hiding," because I was gonna write a book about it. They said, "We're not gonna tell you what to do, but we strongly advise you against it." So, yeah, that was my experience as a midshipman officer at the US Naval Academy in Annapolis, Maryland. And you go into that. You go into your stuff as far as, like, the military and what that's all about. So what's your take on my personal experience? Were you also in the military?
Etienne de la Boetie²
No. I just have a short hair and good posture.
But, you know, so the... I think that, you know, you mentioned my book, The Greatest Theft in Human History – How the Banks and “Government” Will Steal at Least $1.40 Million from the Typical Worker… “Legally”. And that breaks down the theft of inflation and breaks down the theft of forcing people to borrow from the banks that caused the inflation to buy houses that have been jacked up by the inflation, and the confiscatory taxes, and the Social Security underpayment.
But the book I'm best known for is a book called “Government” – The Biggest Scam in History… Exposed! – How Intergenerational Organized Crime Runs the “Government,” Media and Academia. And in that book, I make the case that government is a trick. It's a technique to rob and control societies. It's always illegitimate. You can never have a legitimate government. It's impossible to delegate a right you don't have to someone else. If you don't have the right to take your neighbor's money and donate it to charity, if you don't have the right to make up rules for your neighbor, then you can't delegate a right.
You can't delegate to a representative to represent you doing something that you don't have the ability to do yourself. None of us can be bound by a social contract that we didn't sign. So if you didn't personally sign the Constitution, you're not bound by the Constitution. And my lovely fiancée and myself can't vote that Victor's gotta give us all of his money because there's two of us and one of him. It doesn't matter if there's three of us, 10 of us, or 300 million. And so it really has been the biggest scam in human history, and it has produced the greatest theft in human history.
But part of that program, part of that, the subtitle is How Intergenerational Organized Crime Runs the Government, the Media and Academia. And that academia part and the media part is a control of the information that society receives to indoctrinate them into this worldview, this belief in the legitimacy of government, the desirability of government, the necessity of government, of having a government, that it's legitimate, desirable, necessary. And they do that through the mandatory government school. Even if you go to a private school, most likely that's accredited. And to get that accreditation, you've got to teach the exact same thing that the government school teaches. You might have smaller classes, you might have better facilities, but to be accredited you've gotta teach the same thing. And so they're going to indoctrinate the population into that worldview.
Now, that is going to... So there's a hidden curriculum in the government school system that is going to produce someone that is religiously attached to the government. And so there's a whole hidden curriculum, a series of unethically manipulative techniques that I break down in my book To See the Cage Is to Leave It – 25 Techniques the Few Use to Control the Many. But the short version is that they're going to slide this belief into you: having a government as a religion. They're not gonna call it a religion, but the teacher, the priest, teaching in the church school, the school is the church, is going to teach you the holy documents of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. There's gonna be a religious symbol of the flag. You're going to do the common prayer of the Pledge of Allegiance to the flag every day.
You're going to be taken to Mecca, Washington, DC, where... You know, they're either gonna take you into the cathedral of the Capitol that literally looks like the Vatican for a reason. They're going to take you into temples. They're gonna show you the deities. If you've ever been in the Lincoln Memorial or the Jefferson Memorial, it is a Greek temple. And Jefferson stands exactly the way the statue of Athena stands in the Parthenon, and everything is hushed and it's reverent. And they're going to assume you into this, you know, this belief system.
And so that is going to produce a taxpayer that's going to tithe. So you're going to, you know, you're gonna somewhat voluntarily surrender a portion of your income to the cult. Because it is a cult that meets all the definitions of cult.
It is a textbook cult, and they're doing textbook cult indoctrination techniques on kids in the school system, in the scouting programs, in the Young Marines, in the JROTC, ROTC. And then we'll get into the Naval Academy here in a second, because there's a variety of techniques that are going to be used, because there's kind of two programs. There's kind of the basic program, that government school produces the taxpayer. And then there's kind of another track, because what we do, and you saw it and you dodged it, but they need to produce what are called order followers.
And order followers are people that are willing to set their morality aside and use violence on peaceful people for the leadership of the cult. And so in the military, that means going and killing people and stealing their oil like we did in Venezuela, or stealing their gas, you know, oil like we did in Iraq, or protecting poppy fields in Afghanistan, or whatever the scam of the day is. It's called a pirate state, where the government, you know, uses its military to steal resources from other people. Or you're going to... Another flavor of the order follower is the police officer. The police officer is willing to use violence on peaceful people to extract revenue, to put people in jail for victimless crimes, things that aren't really crimes, to steal houses for the banks on loans they created out of thin air, even though it's inflationary and even though that's stealing other depositors' money. But if you don't pay back that loan that they stole out of thin air, then the shave-headed police member... cult member of the police officer is gonna come and take your house.
And so these techniques range from... They're going to compact you into a group dynamic. They're going to have you do this in the Cub Scouts, the Boy Scouts, and the Explorer program. They're gonna compact you into a group dynamic. They're gonna begin teaching you hierarchical command and control. So you're gonna learn how to salute and take orders from people that are, quote unquote, your superiors just because they've got a different, you know, patch or a different insignia or whatever it is. They're going to put you into the uniform. The uniform is the single form. It is an artificially created group dynamic that replaces your individuality. So you've got a group appearance instead of an individual appearance, which further compacts you into this artificial tribe of the military.
And so the artificial tribe, there's a variety of artificial tribes. The country is an artificial tribe. You know, I'm from Texas. If you're from Texas, you really have very little in common with somebody that lives in Portlandia, in Portland, Oregon. People in Hawaii have very little in common with people that live in Maine. People in Oklahoma have very little in common with people that live in the Florida Panhandle. And so it's an artificial tribe.
This cult creation is then reinforced by the media. How intergenerational organized crime runs the government, the media, and academia. And then the media is gonna surreptitiously, secretly put things into the programming, including they're going to product-place the American flag. They're gonna put it at moments of high positive emotion. The propagandists in Hollywood will, you know, get you into a movie. You'll be following the emotional train of the movie, and at that moment of high positive emotion, they're gonna show you the flag. They're gonna show you the flag. They're gonna show you the flag. Over and over. Rocky winning for the United States, draping himself in the American flag. Matt Damon escaping Mars in the movie The Martian, and then, you know, as soon as he's clear... He's not gonna make it. No, he's gonna make it. No, he's gonna make it. Yeah, boom. They cut to Earth and everybody's waving American flags, and then they cut to Mission Control. There's China American flags on the, you know, on the back wall.
And so that technique is a marketing technique called anchoring. And so if they show you that flag whenever you're in a moment of high positive emotion, you're going to have a warm and fuzzy for the flag. You're not gonna understand why. You're gonna feel patriotic, and they can play with your emotions to compact you into this artificial tribe so you can be tax farmed, so you can be robbed, so you can be... If they can trick you into the military and into the meat grinder, so that they can steal your morality from you. They can force you to do things that you didn't wanna do. That's why there's so many... It's called moral injury. So then a lot of people figure out what they've gotten themselves into. Luckily, you dodged out of it. Thank God you didn't have to kill anybody. Thank God you didn't have to do anything that would have really, you know, hurt you psychically or, you know, hurt your morality.
But all of this is so that they can steal the value out of your money. And so the book, The Greatest Theft in Human History, we break down the theft of inflation. And so they're forcing society to use this money that the banks can create out of thin air. You go get a mortgage, if you go get a car loan, if you go get... use their credit card, they're not loaning you another depositor's money. They just credit your account with digital dollars, and you spend the rest of your life paying off a mortgage that they created out of thin air. Even though that process...
Victor Hugo
You're breaking up. I don't know if you are still there or not.
Victor Hugo
You somehow lost your signal after you said that you're in the process, and you were talking about the loans that were being put out of thin air. For some reason, they didn't want you to say the rest of that. So if you could just repeat that, please.
Etienne de la Boetie²
Yeah. So they're creating money out of thin air. So when you go get a mortgage, you know, for a house that this inflation process has jacked up to, you know, to over... Around $400,000 is the typical house price. That's 16 times what it was in the 1970s. Is the house 16 times better? No. They've just created a gazillion, gazillion dollars, and so that waters down the purchasing power of the dollars that everybody earned and saved. And so now it takes more of these rapidly depreciating digital dollars, fiat paper tickets, to buy the same amount of house.
And that is the biggest scam. That is the thing they don't want you to know about. That is why they've bought up the media, monopolized the media, so that the media will tell you that there's inflation. It's obvious you're losing purchasing power. You go to the grocery store and, you know, you can barely buy anything with a $20 bill anymore. And so everybody understands it, but the media is never going to tell you why is the money losing value. Why is... You know, why is cost going up in society? It's because the banks and the government are stealing the value out of everybody's money the exact same way as if they took their hand, stuck it in your pocket, and stole your money. They're just doing it in a tricky way that most people don't understand, and that the monopoly media and the mandatory government school system and the state-run colleges and the state-run universities, they're not going to tell you. So they're not going to tell you why their money is losing value, even though that's really the most important thing that impacts all of society, everybody. That is the biggest secret in the world. That's what we're exposing at the Art of Liberty Foundation.
Victor Hugo
Well, it's really hard to expose it because we're being... It's a multipronged attack on the mind, and most people are, like Yuval Noah Harari says, useless idiots or useful idiots. And you and I, we've participated in Anarchapulco. I talked at Anarchapulco there virtually, and you apparently also participated in it. One of the things that I've been doing, which has gotten me a lot of hate, is I've been exposing the alternative news media and the so-called truth-teller arena, which apparently is full of pathological liars. And that is part of the problem because, yeah, nobody believes the fake news anymore. They know that it's exactly what you just described. But it turns out that they started moving the CIA and the controlled opposition and the people that are government informants into the alternative news media arena and the truth-teller arena. And I found this out organically by going on shows like Stew Peters' show and SGT Report and having Jeff Berwick on my show. And I like the guy. I got nothing against these people, but when I sniff out the BS, I gotta call it out, because these people are influencers.
So, anyway, one of the things that I've noticed, and people are starting to notice too, is BitChute and Rumble are digital honey traps. They claim to be free speech platforms, but they're not really free speech. And actually, what they're doing is they're promoting violence, which is interesting because if I put up a video... For example, Dustin Nemos is another total controlled opposition, and he's got his own cult and everything. He used to be the Q guy. He's the guy who was telling everybody to trust the plan, and then the government said, "Okay. That's not working. Let's have you get the Jesus freaks." So now he's got this strange, satanic Christian cult. And what he does is, like, he puts out all these lies, but then they catch him in the lies. So I post in his own words the things that he says. But he admits that he's a personal contact with Ray Vahey, who used to be the CEO of BitChute. I don't know who it is now, and they take those down. But meanwhile, the actual death threats that I get that are posted there, of me being attacked and stuff, or people putting a target on my face and everything, which is... You know, that's incitement to violence, and all these... They're death threats. Those, they leave up, and I test it. I'm like, "Okay. Let's see."
Anyway, they've been taking all my videos, and not only on BitChute, but also on Rumble, which I was surprised about, because there's certain things you're not allowed to talk about on Rumble. So I'm noticing that they're using that, like you were just describing, propaganda to impact the midterms. Now today, I sent another letter to Rumble, a moderator and to support, and I cc'd Jeff Berwick, Max Igan, Clayton Morris of Redacted, whose show I've also been on, and held the distinction of being redacted on Redacted, which is interesting, and SGT Report and all these others. And I'm like, "Why aren't you guys reporting on this?" I mean, I know I'm on Rumble too. This is being done on Rumble. But just like when I was at the Naval Academy, I smelled the bullshit. I called it out.
I noticed a lot of people, they're not really in this for the integrity or the right to life, really, because I thought we were supposed to be living by the Golden Rule regardless of what religion you are. Just treat others the way you'd wanna be treated. But not so much. It's all about the materialism. And so, yeah, I mean, it's unfortunate, but I pulled out of Liberpulco. I was scheduled to speak at Liberpulco, but I was like, "You know what? I'm noticing that they're condoning Ray Vahey," because I told Jeff Berwick and Max Igan, I said, "Ray Vahey cannot be trusted. That's a honey trap there." And so, yeah, what's your take on what's going on in alternative news media? Because they're the ones now that are influencing people, and they're a new cult. You've got the SGT Report cult. You've got the X22 Report cult. You've got the Dan Bongino cult. What's going on?
Etienne de la Boetie²
Well, so as I mentioned, the most powerful weapon in the world is control of perception. And it's controlling the information that society receives, either through the mandatory government school system or through the monopoly media. And so when the Internet came out... And as a reminder, the Internet is a military network. So for those that don't remember, before the Internet was the Internet, it was the ARPANET, the Advanced Research Projects Agency of the Pentagon, think tank, future skunk works that turned into DARPA. So ARPA turned into DARPA. The ARPANET turned into DARPANET. And in 1973... I've got network maps. I'm an ex-networking guy. I worked at global ISPs. I built networks for Wall Street. In 1973, there were dozens of institutions that were connected to the Internet. MIT, Stanford, the Pentagon, the RAND Corporation, Harvard, extended over the Atlantic into the UK.
And so they released it around, you know, kind of 1994. They began allowing other, you know, networks to connect into it, and allowing initially the defense industry to connect in. But I think by the time they released it to the public, they'd already understood what that future was going to look like, and they'd already begun placing their bets on how do we control information in the Internet age. And you do that algorithmically. You do that through Google. I like to call it CIA Google, and we've got an article at Voluntaryist.News. If you do the search bar and you say "How the CIA Made Google," you can understand the DARPA programs that Google came out of, and the Highlands Forum, and the connection between Silicon Valley and the military-industrial complex.
But whether it's Amazon, Facebook, whatever, I think they placed their bets that we're going to be able to dominate information by either algorithmically censoring certain information or by algorithmically promoting other information, kind of done simultaneously.
So we can turn down the truth tellers that are gonna blow the whistle on what we're doing, while we can turn up BS and gatekeepers and people that are either going to deceive the audience about what's really going on, or a lot of times they're going to put dumb stuff, you know, flat earth or the Shemitah like Jeff Berwick does, that if you repeat it to your friends, you're gonna shoot your credibility. You're gonna lose, you know, credibility. So when you say something about how, you know, Israel is behind 9/11, they're gonna be all like, "You know, Bob, he thinks there was a Shemitah, that Israel is behind 9/11, and that 9/11 was an inside job." And so they're not going to believe the real things that you're trying to explain to them, because they've got you to shoot your credibility, and that's part of what Stew Peters does.
And also they take movements... And so Stew Peters and Jeff Berwick, you know, it's all about the Jews. I don't think it's the Jews. I think it's intergenerational organized crime, some of which are Jewish because the banking industry was predominantly Jewish. But a lot of the banking industry came out of the Vatican Bank and the Knights Templar. And so it's not just the Jews. I think it's the bankers on the top. But they're gonna make it all about the Jews, and they're not going to say, "Hey, no, it's not." Because 97 percent of Jews globally have nothing to do with fractional reserve banking, have nothing to do with media ownership, have nothing to do with, you know, with what's going on. And so then that gets people to, you know, shoot their credibility, because they know their buddy who's Jewish has nothing to do with any of this, and doesn't support any of this, and in fact is on our side. And so those are some of the tricks and the techniques that they're able to use.
And those people are going to be given unlimited budgets. They're gonna have top-line sets. They're going to recruit from the Gladiator Academy of the mainstream media the most charismatic, the best liars. And they're gonna give them producers. They're gonna give them sets. They're gonna give them wardrobe. They're gonna give them travel budgets to be able to fly the guests in and do in-person shots and things like that. And so they're going to be able to kind of dominate the different spheres. And so Berwick dominates anarcho-capitalists and peaceful anarchists and voluntaryists, or he doesn't dominate it, because most people wised up to what is going on after, you know, the documentary that he participated in called The Anarchists on HBO, which literally tarred peaceful anarchy and voluntaryism and anarcho-capitalism and dragged us all through the turd, and a lot of people caught on to what was going on after that.
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But they're going to crowd-gather, and then they're going to suck the oxygen away from other real voluntaryists, real anarcho-capitalists. And so, you know, you can only go to so many conferences. And so if you go and spend your conference budget on an Anarchapulco or Liberpulco or whatever, you're not gonna be able to support honest, authentic voices. And then they're going to rip you off. And so Berwick is somewhat famous for doing crypto pump-and-dumps to the audience, doing Ponzi schemes being featured at Anarchapulco, doing land scams, a gazillion different things to rip off the audience, so that the peaceful anarchists and voluntaryists aren't well capitalized to be able to confront what is going on with authentic voices and authentic organizations that are actually over the target and are like a laser beam. "No, this is who's doing it. We understand what's going on. We're tracking the real organized crime system." And we're using terms like intergenerational organized crime.
A lot of controlled opposition voices, they'll use things like "deep state." They'll use things like "globalists" and "elitists." And those are undescriptive terms. The Justice Department doesn't have a department for doing-something-about-the-deep-state. So unless you're using intergenerational organized crime, centered around banking, stealing the value out of money through this process, which is inherently dishonest, inherently a scam, then it's easy to, you know, to kind of make the criticism worthless, and you're not able to do anything. But if you say intergenerational organized crime, now there's an expectation that the Department of Justice and FBI agents and Secret Service agents that are listening to my voice right now get off their ass and do something about this organized crime system that has hijacked the government and is robbing their neighbors and their friends and their family and their colleagues. And so that is an idea that is unstoppable.
Also, you know, one of the things we do at the Art of Liberty Foundation is, you know, we're exposing this illegitimacy of government, and that gets you out of the rigged game of voting. That gets you out of the rigged game of, you know, voting in obviously rigged elections, easily rigged elections on black-box voting machines and mail-in paper ballots. "All you gotta do is vote harder." And a lot of the controlled opposition voices, you know, they're either supporting Trump or they're supporting this, or trying to get people to the polls. And we're saying no, the only way to win is not to play. It's an illegitimate system in the first place. We need to have a peaceful and orderly dissolution of the US government. We need to roll it back to the states and then local, and then get rid of it and privatize everything, because you can't have a moral, legitimate government.
That is a solution that's fair for everybody. We're not trying to impose our ruler on anybody else. We're not trying to seize the ring of power. We're not trying to give the Republicans the ring of power, the Democrats. We're saying, "Hey, nobody should have the ring of power." That's the only political solution that's fair for everybody. You'll never, ever hear this on a controlled opposition voice, because this is the thing the system doesn't want you to know. There's three or four things... If you're a controlled opposition voice, you're never allowed to have somebody like me on here explain that government is illegitimate on its face. Government is being run as a criminal enterprise in Washington, DC, and you don't really need government.
Everything the government does would be done better, faster, cheaper by the free market. And voluntaryism is the only ism that is fair for everybody. Every single other political ism, socialism, communism, constitutional republicanism, has a ruling class that has an exception for morality, that has rights that you don't have, that gets to steal your money, that gets to redistribute it.
And so this is what they don't want people to know, because this is a one-way revolution: once you understand how the magician is doing the trick, you don't fall for the trick. You're able to step back and you're able to say, "Hey, I see what's going on here. I'm not gonna be a part of that. I'm gonna tell my friends how the scam works." And then that's a one-way revolution that only goes in one direction. And then that's capable of exponential growth. That's capable of winning the whole thing, because once we pull our... And we no longer support it, we no longer pay the taxes, we no longer believe in it, then government just collapses of its own weight, and we don't have to worry about it anymore. There will be some transition costs, and it's going to hurt, because they've stolen Social Security, they've stolen the value of everybody's money... That's the only way forward. We need to make sure when the system collapses, and it will collapse, that we rebuild it on real freedom. Not fake freedom, but real freedom and a free market, and without the parasite of government on our backs.
Victor Hugo
I used to believe in the system. And then thanks to COVID and to Trump, I realized it's completely what you just described. And so then I started going on shows like Jim Fetzer's show. I became a regular on that show. I was also going on SGT Report. He was having me on that show a number of times. And because I spoke like you, they blacklisted me, and they would quite literally yell at me. I'll never forget. I told them, "Hey. Listen. I've got personal information about Elon Musk and why he can't be trusted." And he goes, "No. No. No. Don't talk about Elon Musk. We need heroes." And then I told him about General Michael Flynn. I had a guest on my show who's a whistleblower, and they were telling me that General Michael Flynn is involved in human trafficking, child trafficking, and money laundering. And he started screaming at me, quite literally, during the show, and he said he'd look into it. He never did.
So the point that I'm making is these personal interactions that I've had with guests, or being a guest on shows, have opened my eyes to... I don't know if you wanna call it hypocrisy. To me, it's... They're all in on it. It's a red flag for me when I hear people say, "Oh, you gotta vote for the lesser of two evils." Because when you vote for the lesser of two evils, you're still voting for evil. So when I hear Alex Jones telling everybody, "Oh, you got... You know, I know Trump is horrible, but you gotta hold your nose and you gotta vote," I'm like, "Okay. This guy's not getting it." He doesn't get it, just the way you described it. So right off the bat, I'm like, "Okay. This guy's controlled opposition," because I know he's smart, and I know he's got the fancy... Like, everything you just described.
Now, the thing is, that's another alarm for me, because I've spoken to Jeff Berwick. I'm like, "Listen, man. Stew Peters cannot be trusted." And how I found out about Stew Peters not being able to be trusted was because I went on his show, and I told him about the Sandy Hook treason, which is coming out again in the news, because that whole thing was a psyop designed to take the First and Second Amendment out. So I go on Stew Peters' show, it was live, and I told him about the Sandy Hook treason case, with it going up to the Supreme Court with Wyn Young. And immediately, you saw his face change. And just before that, he goes, "Victor, you'll never be censored on this show. You can rest assured you'll never be censored on this show."
And the reason he had me on the show was because I was on Mike Adams' show, Brighteon, which supposedly is a free speech platform. And I got censored on that show because I had a guest on who was saying that 6 million Jews didn't die during the Holocaust. So I was like, "Wait a minute. Mike Adams, I thought you promote yourself as a free speech platform. I have a guest on my show who has an opinion and brought some facts, and you censored it." So, anyway, Stew Peters has me on the show. I break the Sandy Hook thing during his going off on Mike Adams and scolding him, and "Oh, Mike Adams, this and that." Then Jim Fetzer, because he was involved in the Sandy Hook treason, because he's the guy who wrote the book Nobody Died at Sandy Hook... which, like you said, they put these clowns in to discredit everybody. You know? I mean, with a title like Nobody Died at Sandy Hook, you know that's incendiary. He put that out there on purpose.
So, anyway, he goes on his show. Brad saw Victor was on Stew Peters, and he brought me up. He goes, "I contacted Stew Peters' producers and told them they need to rectify the situation immediately." And my show was censored on Stew Peters. The show where he looked into the camera and said, "Hey, Victor, you will never be censored on this channel." Well, it took one phone call from Jim Fetzer to make that not happen. So I'm realizing it's a big club, and apparently you and I ain't in it. But if we went ahead and played along with the script, we would be. And because I have the gumption, I suppose... You know, I thought we were supposed to be living in truth. I call these guys out. I invite them on my show. I'm like, "Stew Peters, come on the show. Explain to me what the hell just happened." But they don't come on the show. And to me, that's like a red flag. And then when I see Jeff Berwick going on Stew Peters and SGT Report and all these other...
Etienne de la Boetie²
Got it. They're all rotating between all of these different shows. They're all interviewing each other. Right. They're not gonna have real truth tellers on there. They're never gonna have an articulate voice like mine on there. That's the big scam. So they're tricking each other until you realize, "Hey..." And I'm not saying you gotta have me on, but, like, have a real voluntaryist on to explain the illegitimacy of government from a principled, moral, logical standpoint. They're not going to do that. They're not gonna take on the banks. They're not gonna expose that the banks are stealing the value out of everybody's money. Or if they're gonna do it, they're gonna do it in a way that is clownish and cartoonish and points at it. They're gonna gatekeep it or whatever. And so that really is the biggest weapon in society.
The good news is that it only works until people realize and catch them gatekeeping. I was a fan of Alex Jones until I saw him begin playing the fool whenever he would get on another show, and then, you know, gatekeep certain things and try and blame it on elitists and this and that. And so, you know, over time... Now I haven't watched Alex Jones in years. I'm not gonna waste my time with him. And so once you understand how the magician does the trick, you don't get fooled by the trick. And so we're slowly and surely exposing the controlled opposition, the mainstream alternative media. They're slowly and surely exposing themselves, which is really dangerous to them, because I think that society is gonna be quite angry when they figure out what happened and who has been leading them around by the nose. And as the dollar loses more and more purchasing power and people get more and more angry, I have a feeling that that rage is going to hit the mainstream alternative media with the same forces it's going to hit the monopoly media. And so get ready for that, you little truth... you little deceivers.
And so, you know, there's a good news message. I see us winning in the end. There's no way to really stop the signal in the information age. And to your point, you know, yes, a lot of society has been under this chemical-biological attack. Glyphosated wheat, fluoridated water, mercury and aluminum in vaccines as adjuvants, and different other chemicals in vaccines. Genetically modified food, BPA, BPS, glutamates, aspartame, you name it. At the same time, a lot of people are dodging that. And one of the things that I learned when I worked at one of the big four think tanks in Washington, DC, in my youth, is you don't have to win everybody. You really only have to win the top. There's an intelligentsia, the top 15 percent of the population, the bloggers, vloggers, professoriate, the business owners, the executives, the people that can positively influence others. When you win the intelligentsia, they drag the rest of society. So we don't have to convince everybody.
Once enough people understand the basics, the government is a scam, it's illegitimate on its face, it's being run as a criminal enterprise, you don't really need a government... When enough people understand that, everybody else goes, "Yeah, I knew that. Yeah, yeah, of course." They just adopt the same thoughts and opinions of the intelligentsia. And so they're able to control perception right now. They're able to algorithmically steer it. They're able to censor certain voices. They're able to de-index them, demonetize them, shadowban them. But more and more people understand what's going on every single day. It's growing. We're gonna win this thing in the end. I'm very, very optimistic, because you just can't stop the signal. These little pirate broadcasts like we're doing right now, it reaches thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands slowly over time. More and more people are discovering the truth. There's no way to stop it. It's gonna be global. We're gonna throw out government in Russia. We're gonna throw out government in Israel. We're gonna throw out government in China. We're gonna throw them all out. The whole thing is gonna collapse. It has been the biggest scam in history, but people are waking up, and they are not going along with it anymore.
Victor Hugo
Well, you're absolutely right, because this channel is shadowbanned. This channel quite literally is censored on Rumble and BitChute and Brighteon, and I've got the receipts to prove it. So I hold the distinction of not only being redacted on Redacted, but being censored on free speech platforms that are publicly traded and claim to be free speech. So, I mean, I know something's going on, and it's not like I'm on here posting sexually explicit content or anything that's ultraviolent or anything. I just have guests like you on who come on the show, and the things that apparently you say are too much for, I don't know, normies to handle. So they monitor my channel. They moderate it. They have people on there who brag about, "Yes. You know... Their consequences are coming."
And they hire Indians, I noticed. Because like you were saying about Google with the CIA, well, who's in charge of Google? It's an Indian. Who's in charge of Alphabet? That's an Indian. Who's in charge of YouTube? That's an Indian. Who was in charge of Twitter during COVID, when everybody got taken out who was daring to say, "Hey. Listen. It's a psyop"? That was an Indian. Who's in charge of artificial intelli... So they're using people who were involved in a caste system, and who don't really appreciate free speech, to censor people, and they have no problem doing that.
Before we leave the topic of what's happening with the decline of the so-called truth-teller arena and the alternative news media, I don't know if you know this, but there's a lot of infighting going on right now. So the stuff that you and I have been pointing out about... I don't know if you wanna call it hypocrisy or just controlled opposition. I'm just sitting back now watching Sabrina Wallace call out Debumasan, call out Hope Girl, who's involved with SGT Report and Jim Fetzer and Stew... So, like, the dominoes are falling, because you are who you hang out with. And as you start seeing all these people calling each other out as liars and shills and not to be trusted, I'm like, "Oh, that's interesting," because that person is said to be a reliable source by Jim Fetzer and SGT Report. And SGT Report is connected to Stew... or Jeff Berwick, and Jeff Berwick is connected to Stew... So I'm like, "Oh, okay." As they're all pointing at each other as liars, I'm like, "Wow. The house of cards is falling."
You know, one of the things to me, when I first got into this organically... I never planned on being a podcaster or whatever the heck you call this. I call myself a modern art concert journalist. I don't wanna be involved with all those people. I basically... I'm an artist, and I'm just having conversations with guests that I would be having if you and I met at an airport lounge before taking off to opposite ends of the world. And the audience are eavesdropping in on the conversation as if they were sitting at the bar stools next to us. You know? The audience can stay or go. I'm not forcing anybody. It's not like I'm selling any vitamins or anything like that. Like, all these people are connected to the same CIA organization of the wellness corp. You know? I mean, they're all connected. So, anyway, the point I'm making is it was disappointing to me when I found out that these people were involved in this, because I genuinely was like, "Oh, I believed them." I believed that their heart was in the right place.
Etienne de la Boetie²
Yes
Victor Hugo
So what gave you the strength of character? Because it takes character and integrity to be able to call somebody out, which is one of the reasons why people are afraid to come on my show, because, you know, if Jeff Berwick comes back on my show, I'm gonna be like, "Hey, Jeff, man. What's going on?" You know? And it's a live show, and they have to answer for it, and they're afraid. So, yeah, I get it. Not everybody wants to come on my show, because I ask the tough questions, man. You know? But what gave you the... Because apparently you were friends with Jeff and you were hanging out with him and everything, and then all of a sudden people are like, "Oh my God, you turned on him." I'm not turning on him, but I have to call a spade a spade. You know? It's a difference. So what gave you the impetus to be able to do that? Because that's not easy, man. That makes it so that you become a pariah in this group. They're like, "Hey, man. Don't bring this guy on your show."
Etienne de la Boetie²
So first of all, I was never friends with Jeff Berwick. I did go to Anarchapulco, so I was an early attendee at the Anarchapulco conference. I was there from 2015. And for the first couple of years, it was a legitimate conference. So they were crowd-gathering the anarchist movement so they could steer them into a dead end. But in the early years, there was Larken Rose, and there was James Corbett, and there was, like, a lot of really good people that were part of it and attended and participated. And so it was wonderful until about 2018, and then that's when I called the bait and switch. And that's when the hardcore anarchists are out, and here comes, you know, controlled opposition voices and others.
But going to the... I went to the conference for, you know, years and years and years before I blew the whistle on it. I would generally stay in Acapulco. I'd get there like a week before. I'd stay a week after, sometimes two weeks after. And so I got to know everybody at the conference. I got to know all of the speakers. I was embedded within the conference just because I knew everybody. I threw the biggest party at the conference that was not associated with the conference. It was called the Turtle Party. We raised money for a turtle sanctuary, and we would take hundreds and hundreds of Anarchapulco attendees on luxury coach buses out to this turtle sanctuary, and we would have the leading artists in, you know, in the voluntaryist and truth movements play, and it was wonderful. Candlelight on the beach and just a beautiful, beautiful experience.
I had the number one book. So my book, “Government” – The Biggest Scam in History… Exposed!, was the best-selling book for two years before they kinda had to let me on the stage to be a main speaker, because I had the best-selling book at the conference. So I'd have a little table, and we would just sell “Government” – The Biggest Scam in History… Exposed!. Like, we would sell 100-plus copies, you know, of the book every single year that I was at the conference. And it was a high-quality audience. You know, they were crowd-gathering. Facebook was turning the knob up for them. So they were crowd-gathering an audience.
And so then once I saw that it began to be steered and I realized what was going on, I did a real-deal investigation into Anarchapulco. I interviewed Jeff Berwick's ex-employees. I interviewed conference ex-employees. And I understood... You know, I did deep research into who was behind HBO's The Anarchists. But I'll tell you, one of the things that got me mad is that they tricked us into a book burning. And so the only point you're gonna see me in The Anarchists, even though I was literally one of the top speakers at the conference and sold more books than probably every other author there put together... Like, that's how many books we were selling at the conference. The only way you're gonna see me is where they tricked us into a book burning, where we were burning law books. I thought it was kind of like a joke, and they were doing it. It was funny, but they tricked us into that so that they could make it look like we were book burners. And so that's what got me mad. That's what made me blow the whistle.
I was like... You know, I got mad. And also they made anarchy look dumb. I break down all the techniques. I did a seven-part investigation that you can find at artofliberty.foundation. And I break down the entire scam of The Anarchists. I break it down episode by episode. They're using subliminals. They're using pictures of bloody meat. They've got subliminal text that they're throwing up on the screen at certain points.
They're doing CIA Easter eggs, where they write "CIA Speakeasy." I break down the entire thing in this investigation. And then I don't really talk about it anymore.
I did run into Jeff Berwick last year. It was last year? Yeah, it was last year, at Anarchapulco. I was there because a friend of mine met his wife... So there's a lot of good that came out of it. A lot of super cool people came out of Anarchapulco. And most of them don't go anymore. That's the other thing. So 98 percent, everybody that was super cool, they're almost not there. They're not there anymore. And the overwhelming amount of the audience had never been there. They don't know it. And then I get calls from people that go the first time, like, "Oh, you're absolutely right. I met Jeff Berwick. I was a VIP member. I sat next to him. That guy doesn't know anything. He's creepy. He's weird." I'm dead serious. I get calls and emails and things from people like, "You know, somebody turned me on to you. It was going around the conference. You're absolutely right."
And so I ran into him. So a friend of mine got married and had his wedding in Acapulco. And so I get down there, and I'm at a party, and Berwick shows up, and I sit down next to him and I say, "Hey, you know, do you wanna talk about, you know, my investigation and what's been going on?" And he's kinda trapped, because everybody's there, and I don't think he knew I was gonna be there or whatever. And so now everybody's gathered around us, and I start taking Berwick and the crowd... I'm like, "You know, did you not understand that they were using these subliminal techniques?" And I've got an iPad out, and I'm actually showing him and the rest of the crowd, and he's sitting there going, "Oh, well, maybe you're right." He's like, "You're right. I guess we got psyoped. I guess the CIA was behind it."
"I did not know that one of the executive producers of HBO's The Anarchists made a documentary about a future coronavirus pandemic starring Bill Gates and vaccines in January of 2020."
Let me say that again. One of the executive producers of HBO's The Anarchists, which was shot at Anarchapulco with Jeff Berwick's cooperation, made a documentary about a future coronavirus pandemic that starred Bill Gates and said, "Don't worry, the vaccines are gonna save us. There's gonna be a coronavirus pandemic in the future, but don't worry, the vaccines are gonna save us. They're already working on them," and everything like that.
And so I'm pointing this out to Berwick as he's in the crowd, and I've won the crowd, and people are like, "Jeff, did you know that?" And he's like, "No." And so he says, "Oh, you know, maybe you're right. I can't believe it. We got psyoped. The CIA was behind HBO's The Anarchists. You need to come to Anarchapulco, and you need to present this evidence to Anarchapulco. I'm inviting you." And so then that invitation got rescinded, because he's a liar. He's a serial, serial liar. But it's not that I... You know, and then he said it was because I hate him. I don't hate anybody. I feel sorry for the guy.
He actually told this group that I'm with, multiple witnesses that were there, that he was essentially involved in all of the scams, the passport scams and everything that he was involved in, but it's not his fault, because he was drunk and he got taken advantage of. And so he's ripping people off. He's bad mojo. He's not good for the peaceful and voluntaryist movement. I don't have anything against him. People need to understand who he is, who he's associated with, what was behind HBO's The Anarchists, the executive producers, how the system works, why he's being propped up, why his content is being turned up while everybody else is being turned down. That's all I'm doing.
I don't concentrate on him a lot. I'm exposing much more important things. How the government is stealing $1.4 million from the typical worker. If you're a typical worker, that's $60K a year, you know, over a 40-year career and 20-year retirement. They're gonna steal 58 percent of all your earnings. That's much more important than Jeff Berwick. But I think it's important that people understand how this control-of-perception system works and how controlled opposition works. And so I've used him as an example, but I don't dwell on him. I got way bigger fish to fry than little old Jeff Berwick.
Victor Hugo
Yeah. And I do as well, and people wonder why it is that I... They think I'm focusing on that, but I think it's important because I know that mainstream media is dead. Nobody believes that. Just the boomers are the ones who still believe that. But this alternative news media, and people like Stew Peters and Jeff Berwick and SGT Report, they're the main players in the lower level. They're like...
Etienne de la Boetie²
It's the new bat... It is the most important battleground, because it's where the intelligentsia is looking for truth and facts and things like that. So it is the most important battleground. We have to win it. We've got to expose the shills. We've got to explain to people how the control-of-perception system works. So I applaud you for what you're doing, and I agree. They're being made to look like the in crowd. They're being promoted as the in crowd, and so it takes courage to do what you're doing. I appreciate it. I applaud you for it. You're absolutely on the right track. I'm tracking the exact same scam, folks.
So even though I'm typically the most... Like, if you go to other places where I've done interviews, I've got the most thumbs up, I've got the most likes, I've got the most shares, but I'm not gonna be able to get on X22. Like, we've tried. I have a PR team. We have, like, our delivery foundation, and we have a very sophisticated PR process. We've been in contact with SGT. We've been in contact with X22. We're going after Clayton Morris and others. They're not gonna have me on, even though I'm a very, very popular guest on a variety of other podcasts. And I'm not saying you gotta have me, and that's the denominator of whether you're controlled opposition. But let's have somebody else talk about what I talk about. Let's talk about the illegitimacy of government on its face. Let's have somebody on there to talk about the fact that the government is being run as a criminal enterprise in Washington, DC. Let's have somebody in there to talk about that we don't really need government. Let's talk about the fact that the elections are fraudulent on their face. Don't have me, have somebody else that talks about just the exact same things, because that is a legitimate point of criticism. That is the same thing that Murray Rothbard was talking about. That's the same thing that the original Étienne de La Boétie said, that government is illegitimate on its face. Let's have an intelligent, articulate voice talk about those things, if you're not really a controlled opposition shill.
Victor Hugo
Yeah. And that's why this channel holds the distinction of being censored on every free speech platform, because I have guests that contact me, and they say, "Hey, Victor. You know, we've reached out to all these other places. Nobody will touch us. Can you come on the show?" And I'm like, "Yeah. Sure. Come on the show. I wanna hear what others don't wanna hear." Like, I'm curious. Why don't they want you on the show? Come on the show. I wanna hear it. Like, yesterday, I had Wyn Young on the show. He reached out to Tucker Carlson, to everybody.
Victor Hugo
And I've reached out on his behalf. He's the guy who's the Supreme Court attorney who's gone straight up to the Supreme Court and called everybody out, because it turns out everybody was involved in the Sandy Hook treason. I mean, this is a big deal. Just like September 11, 2001, they keep trying to tell us, "Oh, never mind. Move on. Let's focus on Charlie Kirk." I mean, they just keep moving the psyops. You know? And I'm like, "No. I still wanna know what the hell happened on September 11, 2001, because I'm not buying this BS narrative that you're giving me." You know? I've had guests on, Captain Dan Hanley and a bunch of other experts who have come on, and they're like, "No. None of it makes sense." I'm like, "Yeah."
So the same thing with Sandy Hook, and he came on my show yesterday because he goes, "Listen. I got breaking news. I've got this thing." I mean, it includes Trump. Trump is in on the Sandy Hook thing. The Supreme Court is in... I mean, it's just Obama. They're all in on it. So he's risking his life. I spoke to him today. Well, not today. Yesterday. And he's telling me, man, he's under major attack, you know, because he's going up against everybody. And then, well, through association, because I'm the only guy who's willing to have him on the show. And then that's the show that got censored by Stew Peters after he looked into the camera and said, "You'll never be censored here." So I'm like, "Wow. Okay." So, yeah, it turns out that the guests that I have on my show are causing my show to be, I don't know, moderated and shadowbanned and all this other stuff.
But what's amazing is they can't censor word of mouth. We have an amazing audience, man. And the audience is growing, and it's international. And people, through word of mouth, say, "Hey. Listen. Did you hear that guy, Etienne de la Boetie, who came on the show? Man, that guy speaks some truth." And they speak about it at the water cooler, at work, or wherever, and, man, it grows. The numbers are steadily going up, and it's just...
Etienne de la Boetie²
That's what I'm saying. That we win in the end. You know, there's no way to stop this message. And so we're going to win this thing in the end, and it's gonna be glorious, and we're gonna get rid of all of these... You know, I think society has been held down, and I think it's going to flourish. Just imagine what society would look like if the typical American worker had an extra $1.4 million to spend. Like, how society would flourish. What kind of schools there would be, what kind of restaurants, what kind of arts, what you could give to charity.
If you're above average, by the way... So my book, The Greatest Theft in Human History, you know, we break down that $1.4 million. And so just, you know, not to steer it, but I want people to understand where this number I'm saying, $1.4 million, is coming from. And so we were really the first ones to break down the total extraction of government and the banking system. And so over a 40-year career, if you're a typical American worker... If you make $60,000 a year, that's kind of the median. And you made it every single year for 40 years, that's $2.4 million. Out of that $2.4 million, the banking system and government are going to extract a minimum of $1.4 million, or 58 percent.
$595,000 of that is inflation. So the dollars that you save and earn, they're going to lose purchasing power equivalent to that over the years. And that's a combination of the pure purchasing power of the money, but it's also something that we call the compound trap, where you're going to be forced to borrow at interest to afford assets that have been jacked up by the fraudulent money system itself. And so, you know, you're typically gonna have to borrow a little over $300,000 to buy a house. And so you're going to have to pay interest on money that you wouldn't have had to borrow if not for the fraudulent banking system, so that's included in that total.
There's something called the Cantillon effect, where when the government creates hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars and injects it in quantitative easing or bailouts or whatever it is, the scam of the day at the Treasury Department this week, that money doesn't hit everybody the same. The Beltway bandits, the military-industrial complex companies, if you give it to the banks in bailouts and stimulus or whatever, they spend it first at today's prices. They get the maximum bang out of the buck. By the time that it gets to the average person, those dollars have been inflationary. They've bid up prices, and you've lost that purchasing power. That's called the Cantillon effect. That's part of this $595,000.
The next, the biggest component, is the taxes. So they're going to steal from a median worker... They're gonna steal $785,000 through confiscatory taxation. Yes, you are going to get some services from that, but number one, the government alone admits that about 20 percent of that is waste, fraud, abuse, improper payments. It might as well have just been set on fire and burned. And then they're going to force you to pay two to three times the market rate for the services that you're gonna get.
So whether it's the roads or the courts, you know, you're dealing with a monopoly provider. If we had a free market system, if we had, you know, real freedom in this country, there's still gonna be roads, there's still going to be dispute resolution that they call the courts. There would still be armed protective services that would protect you if you have to call 911. It may be ADT, it may be Garda, it'd be a private company. So you're going to pay the monopoly government two to three times what you would have paid for the service. And then, the fact that they're stealing it from you, there's something called the deadweight loss in economics, which is, because they're wasting it, the economy is not gonna be as diverse, it's not gonna be as strong, the wages aren't gonna be as good. And so that has an additional negative effect.
The final component is they're lying to you about what the inflation rate is, so they don't have to pay your parents and your grandparents through Social Security COLA, so cost-of-living increase. The Bureau of Labor Statistics calculates supposedly what the inflation rate is in the United States, and they're supposed to be adjusting Social Security as it relates to inflation in the United States.
Now, they're saving $50 billion plus a year by lying to the public about what the real inflation rate is. And the government actually admits that. And so the Bureau of Labor Statistics has a CPI-W that they use to calculate the COLA rate. But they have another index called the CPI-E, for elderly, where they say, "Hey, you know, you're right. The elderly don't spend the same thing as other people do." And so, just using the government's own statistics, they owe you $16,000 more. They're stealing $16,000 that they owe you, using their own CPI-E.
But we are using an alternative index called the Reality Index at realityindex.co that uses the same weights and measures, but pulls out some of the tricks that the Bureau of Labor Statistics is using to calculate the inflation rate. When you pull out hedonic adjustment and substitution bias, and use real rents versus the owner survey that they use, that is notorious for undercounting the cost of housing in the United States... If you calculate it using the Reality Index, they would owe you $70,000. So there's an additional $70,000 in theft. So that's $1.4 million for the typical worker. If you're above average, as I'm sure your audience is, if you make $120,000 a year, they're gonna steal $3.9 million. If you make $250,000 a year, it's gonna be over $6.5 million, and it just keeps going up.
And so it has been the greatest theft in all of human history, and it's been transferred to the banks. It's not dollar for dollar, but as they get to create these dollars out of thin air, they make exorbitant profits. And so we estimated the profits since 1913 for the banking industry: $15 to $25 trillion the banking system has made. This is why the bank is the biggest building in every single city, and frequently the biggest buildings are all banks. There might be two or three or four buildings in your city that are banks, and it's because they're robbing you. They're stealing the value out of your money in this dishonest system, and those profits have allowed them to buy up and monopolize the media. That's what's allowed them to buy up and control the government. That's what's allowed them to over-invest in platforms like Facebook, BitChute, Rumble, and these things, and to be able to create this system that controls the information that society receives, so nobody tells you what I just told you: exactly how you're being robbed, exactly what the mechanism is, exactly who's involved. That's the most important information in society. That's why you're not gonna see us on Redacted. That's what's really being redacted. That's the thing they don't want you to know about. That is the big game. That is the thing that impacts society the most. That is the most important information in the world.
Victor Hugo
So, Etienne, I totally get what you're saying. We're on the same page. I've been trying to deliver that message for years now. Most of my audience gets that as well. But I just had a guest on earlier today, Michelle Gibson, and we were talking about how history is being erased. We are literally living through the same thing that happened several times in the past with the mud floods and the fires and everything, and how they use the useful idiots who don't understand what you're saying.
Victor Hugo
And they use them to quite literally destroy future generations, just like they're using the police and the military and the teachers and the doctors and the nurses. So there's more of them than there are of us. And when we tell them things like what you just said, which, by the way, everything that he said can be verified... It's a revelation of the method. They have to tell you what they're doing. So you could find... Just like the COVID, they had all the side effects out there. I was showing people. I was like, "Listen. Everything you can imagine is in that shot. Don't take it." Didn't matter. Fauci got on and said, "Oh, it's safe and effective." And Trump said, "Hey. Listen. This is a miracle, Operation Warp Speed." And they all trusted these people.
So the question I'm asking is, we're going through this right now. We're in a depopulation plan. They're spraying the skies, because they're paying these pilots whatever they're paying them, and they're flying their planes, and they're just poisoning everybody, all their neighbors, and their own family. Same thing with the doctors and the nurses. I mean, we are surrounded by serial killers. There's no way that these people don't know... Like, even the teachers. I had a guy on my show, and it's just unbelievable. He's like, "Oh, I didn't wanna teach certain things because I knew that I would lose my job." I'm like, "So you purposefully don't teach your children the truth. Instead, you're telling them that they should change their sex and everything because you gotta make money," which you just described is worthless anyway.
Victor Hugo
So the whole trick that they've gotten us with is believing that this worthless piece of paper is enough to sell your soul, to kill your mother. I mean, think about all these people. They wanted me to do that at the Naval Academy in order to move up in power. They wanted me to kill my roommate, Thomas Vallow, and they wanted me to kill my mother, because they were testing to see how far. Because you always have to have a sacrifice. That's how it works in the music industry and the film industry. If you wanna move up, you gotta do a sacrifice. And I was like, "No. I'm not gonna do it." And their excuse was, "If we tell you to jump, don't ask us why. Just ask us how high." And I was like, "Well, no. I'm not gonna do it."
So like you were saying earlier, they're looking for the order followers. And apparently there's more order followers than there are people like you and I, who are willing to call a spade a spade and say, "You know what? I smell bullshit. I'm not going along with this." Everybody knows what's going on. They really do. They know this is a rat race. They work from 9 to 5, overtime. They get home. They're exhausted. On the weekends, maybe they get to watch some sports or whatever, drink some beers. And then they think they're gonna retire, and then they kill them with all this medication that they got. So they never collect their retirement anyway. I mean, so people are quite literally happy with their slavery.
And I'm seeing it in doing that show, how they were able to erase Tartaria, able to erase all the free energy that we were supposed to have, that we have the ability... They just build over cities. There's entire tunnel systems. There's civilizations underneath us that they don't even tell us about. But, of course, if we talk about this, they think we're crazy. So I'm just trying to figure out how to solve this thing, because I'm in it. You know, I'm seeing all the destruction going on around me, and I'm just seeing these idiots, and they're fighting me. I'm like...
Etienne de la Boetie²
Victor, Victor, Victor...
Victor Hugo
How do we get to these idiots? Because they're the...
Etienne de la Boetie²
So you... First of all, you identified two different problems. Okay? Problem number one is that it's hard to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on his not understanding it. A quote from Upton Sinclair. I wanna repeat it for the audience.
It's hard to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it.
And so the government teachers, the military, they are trapped with the golden handcuffs of salaries that they would not be able to get in the private sector. Gold-plated pensions, the ability to only work for 20 years and to be able to get a pension. They might have had the best of intentions when they went into the military or when they went into teaching. But now many feel that they're trapped, and society is being kept in a kind of artificial poverty, where there aren't as many opportunities as there would be if we had a real free market, if the government wasn't wasting all of this money, setting it on fire, blowing it up, and worse, based on lies and manufactured intelligence and things like that. There'd be way, way, way more opportunities, and people would be able to get out of having to work for the organized crime government. So that's problem number one.
Problem number two is what I like to call the fluoridated, vaccinated, government-schooled, corporate-food-eating, you know, dumbed-down public, many of which have been hit by this chemical weapon program. You know, they've been vaccinated with aluminum. They've been vaccinated with mercury. We can't sugarcoat it. We can't pretend that it's not going on. We can't pretend that you can't tell that Johnny was absolutely fine, then he got vaccinated, and now he's on the spectrum and he can't dress himself. Like, he was absolutely fine, and now he's not. Let's be realistic with what's going on. You have to be honest about what we're dealing with.
But at the same time that that's going on, there's a whole blossoming of people that aren't vaccinating their kids, that aren't vaccinating themselves, that aren't drinking the fluoridated water, that aren't eating the genetically modified ingredients, that are buying organic, that are only buying grains that are Non-GMO Project certified. And so the intelligentsia, in many cases, is flourishing. And again, we don't have to... Like, if you don't get what I'm talking about, I don't really waste my time with you. I'm looking for the intelligentsia. I'm looking for, like, real men and women that still have their faculties about them, that wanna have a positive impact on society, that wanna do something real, that are part of the solution, that are not part of the problem. Don't worry about the people that are part of the problem. They're not going to get it. They're gonna be focused on children's games played by adults. They're gonna be focused on other things. They're not gonna get it. They're not gonna read a book. I try and focus my time and attention on people that are smart enough to understand what's going on, that aren't poisoning themselves, and are finding the authentic voices and connecting with others, building community, building alternative systems. That's the future of humanity. It's not the people that are watching eight hours a day of television.
Victor Hugo
I agree. And so I like to talk about solutions and viable solutions, but I also like to make sure that we're being real.
Etienne de la Boetie²
Yes.
Victor Hugo
The government already has set up... These breakaway societies, like you're saying, which I've had people on the show who are doing that. They're living off grid and stuff like that. They have the satellites. They can trace you. They see your little community there. They'll send the drones in. They'll send the robots in. Now they don't even need soldiers anymore. So, yeah, the plan for the United States, and they have it written out, is to bring everybody into, like, concentrated areas, and all the outside, they say they wanna leave it for nature, because they really care about nature, these people.
Etienne de la Boetie²
Correct.
Victor Hugo
But they wanna have everybody in these concentrated areas, because they're easier to control, because that's where they have the cameras and everything. So most people don't understand that. They're kind of wanting these 15-minute cities without realizing they're basically concentration camps, is what they are.
Etienne de la Boetie²
Yes
Victor Hugo
So how do we protect ourselves? Because even if you're living off the grid... And I, for one, haven't had a cell phone in years. So, I mean, that's why I only communicate through email, and it's not always that easy, because we're dealing with three different time zones. In order to put this show on, by the way, ladies and gentlemen, I had to, like, get up really early, and Etienne, I think he's in Thailand. So it's amazing how we're still able to produce this show without a cell phone. So I'm living proof, people. You really don't need a cell phone to survive. But, yeah, those things are weapons, and Israel proved that, and Netanyahu brags about it. And so you can't even get people off the cell phone right now. They're so attached to it. How can we start with that? I'm trying to let people know, "Listen, I'm an example. There is life without a cell phone," but people won't do it.
Etienne de la Boetie²
So all of technology... And I'm an ex-technologist. I used to be a productivity expert for Fortune 500 companies. All of technology is a double-edged sword. It can either be used for good or it can be used for evil. If you haven't figured out that the cell phone is a dopamine machine, it's giving you content in a way designed to algorithmically steer your attention, and to give you dopamine hits for certain things, and to be able to put propaganda in front of you, then yes, you're going to be led around by the nose. You're gonna have your time wasted. You know, it's gonna just suck your life away from you. If you only use it for email and for researching how you're being scammed and the dangers of these technologies and whatever, that's essentially a good thing. And so really, people need to understand how important it is to be focused and to not let technology take your focus off the most important things.
And so this is an example. We take all the evidence of government illegitimacy and criminality... You mentioned that they're erasing history. They're making it go away. And we put it on an uncensorable, credit card–sized flash drive that we call the Liberator.
Victor Hugo
Oh, nice.
Etienne de la Boetie²
And we've got documentaries that are disappearing off of BitChute and Rumble. And we've got important books on PDF, and short videos, and music videos from the truth movement's leading artists, and memes, and all kinds of things that the government doesn't want us to share. And then we make it so that you can be over at a friend's house and you can go, "Here you go. Throw that in your computer." You can copy it. There's no software on it. It's only PDFs and MP4s and things like that. There's nothing that could ever harm your computer. But so now you can spread it, and it's uncensorable. Nobody knows that you went over to your friend's house. Nobody knows that he copied it on his computer. It's not going anywhere. And anybody that has one can make as many copies as they want for their friends and their families and things.
And people come up to me at conferences all the time, and they're like, "Hey, I found out about your work because some guy came in to our freedom meeting, our freedom group, and he threw down 30 Liberators, and everybody got one, and we started going through it. That's how I discovered your work." And so this is my point. Technology can be positive, and technology is going to make it so that evidence of government criminality and what they're doing is impossible to censor. Yeah, they can steer it on the Internet, but we've got technology that is going to make the evidence of who's involved, what's going on... It's not going anywhere. And in fact, it's spreading virally, because each person can do it.
Now, the final thing that I would say to your audience is, so now you know the basics. Now you know. And so if this was powerful for you, if you think that your friends and your family and your colleagues ought to see it, don't just think that you're gonna share it to X or to Facebook and anybody is going to see it. If you think that that's what's gonna happen, you've missed the point entirely. You have to email it to them. You have to physically email the link to them. Otherwise, it is going to be algorithmically suppressed. And the number one thing that everybody can do, if you wanna win this thing, if you wanna punch it over the goal line: wake up five people and have them wake up five people. Get them to commit to wake up five people, and keep that going, and we win in the end. And that's something that every single person can do. It's very easy to do. Send things via email, hand people physical objects, make the truth uncensorable, make it unstoppable, get behind it. That's what you can do.
The final thing, my final thing that I like to say, is use cash. We've gotta keep cash alive. We can't have programmable digital money. When you use cash, you starve the banks of the 1.5 to 3 percent that they would have charged the merchant. The merchant, especially mom-and-pops, especially little restaurants and coffee shops and things like that, they earn an additional 1.5 to 2.5 percent, and then they don't have to share it with the lying, thieving, stealing government. So they can keep some of that off the books. They can buy a guitar lesson for their son, or they could buy something. They can keep that cash rotating in society. It's got a lot of good things. And the more cash people have, the more that we're prepared for a bank holiday, the more kind of cushion that you have to be able to survive a bank holiday, to be able to survive something that's going on. So you wanna have a lot of physical cash. There's just a lot of good reasons. So the number one thing you can do is use cash, and then that's it. I apologize, I gotta go.
Victor Hugo
That's okay. People can get your stuff. If you look in the description section, it's a link, linktr.ee/artofliberty. All the information is in the description section. Can they get that card there that you showed us?
Etienne de la Boetie²
Yeah, artofliberty.org/store, or you can get one... We moved off Substack. Substack was censoring us. We moved off Substack. We created an alternative to Substack at artofliberty.foundation and Voluntaryist.News. And if you become a member, you can actually get a free one with your $50 annual membership. And if you're a $5 member, you can get access. We have everything on here on Dropboxes. And so everything's on here; you can just download it. And so I hope you'll join us. We're exposing the illegitimacy and the criminality of government. There's nobody else that's over the target like we are. And so artofliberty.org, artofliberty.foundation. greatest-theft.com is our new book, The Greatest Theft in Human History. And “Government” – The Biggest Scam in History… Exposed! is at government-scam.com.
Victor Hugo
Yeah. Everything... You were fantastic. Before we go, though, some of the audience is pointing out they're wondering if you also attended the Moby concert, because they see that you've got a red string. What is that red string?
Etienne de la Boetie²
I don't know. My girly put it on me. And so I think it's got a spiritual significance in her spiritual practice, Sant Mat. And so I think that that's what that is, but I might be mistaken. Something my girly...
Victor Hugo
Sant Mat? Or is that a Kabbalah string?
Etienne de la Boetie²
No. No. It's not a Kabbalah thing at all. Sant Mat is a spiritual practice, an Indian spiritual practice.
Victor Hugo
So that's... You know what's interesting? Just to show you how people attempt to discredit. I have this. It's from Moby. Now there's videos out there that are reaching, like, way more people. They're claiming that I'm a Jew now. They're calling me Victor Jugo, because they're claiming that it's a Kabbalah string. And, of course, everybody knows it's the Jews. So the moment that they see anybody with anything that looks like a Kabbalah string, they throw you into the "Oh, let's discredit him. He's a Jew. He's making pretend..." You know? So I just wanted to get that out of the way, because I know people were noticing that in the live chat. They're like, "What's that he's wearing?" So, you know, and whether or not...
Etienne de la Boetie²
Yes. My girlfriend's off camera. She's like, "You're gonna see them all over India."
Victor Hugo
Yeah. Yeah. So it just goes to show you the ignorance that these people have in trying to discredit somebody because of what you've got on your wrist. And I actually keep this on purpose, because I know that people try to discredit me, claiming that I'm a Jew. What difference does it make? You know what I'm saying? I am telling you the truth. So, anyway, thank you. I wanted to get that out of the way. I don't want people then coming in and saying, "Oh, at the end, you can't trust what he said. He's a Kabbalah guy." You know? So...
Etienne de la Boetie²
Yes
Victor Hugo
Alright. Thank you so much. I'd love to have you back on the show because, man, we were dropping some truth bombs.
Etienne de la Boetie²
Oh, definitely.
Victor Hugo
Great, great conversation, and I look forward to our next... And thank your girlfriend for, you know, letting us have this conversation. I know we took time away from... Well, listen. The most important thing is love. Right? So thank you for sharing your time with us, and enjoy your girlfriend and enjoy your time wherever you are. And God bless everybody in the audience. Thank you so much for tuning in. I'll be back later today at noon, Eastern Daylight Time, with another guest. And remember, everybody, united we stand, divided we fall. Never give up. Never surrender. Keep shining. Live. Love. Flow. Thank you, Etienne. Bye.
About Etienne de la Boetie²
Etienne de la Boetie² is the founder of the Art of Liberty Foundation, and the editor of Voluntaryist.News, our daily survey of the best of the alternative media from a voluntaryist perspective, and Five Meme Friday, which delivers hard-hitting voluntaryist memes and the best of the alternative media. He is an internationally recognized expert and speaker on voluntaryism and government illegitimacy, criminality and corruption. His original writings and research can be found at ArtOfLiberty.Foundation.
He is the author of multiple books exposing the illegitimacy and criminality of government, including:
● The Greatest Theft in Human History – How the Banks and “Government” Will Steal at Least $1.40 MILLION from the Typical Worker… “Legally” – which exposes the theft of inflation from fractional reserve banking and the real cost of confiscatory taxation and Social Security underpayment from government CPI manipulation.
● To See the Cage Is to Leave It – 25 Techniques the Few Use to Control the Many – an exposé of a variety of unethically manipulative techniques the organized crime “government” is using on the population in their mandatory schools, affiliated scouting programs, and through propaganda secretly inserted into films and television shows to trick the population into a system that will steal 58% of their lifetime earnings.
● “Government” – The Biggest Scam in History… Exposed! – How Intergenerational Organized Crime Runs the “Government,” Media and Academia – which breaks down how inter-generational organized crime centered around banking and central banking is robbing and controlling the population using the technique of “government” with puppet politicians and monopoly media/academia.
Links: About Etienne · ArtOfLiberty.org · ArtOfLiberty.Foundation · Voluntaryist.News · Five Meme Friday · Store · YouTube · Rumble · X · Telegram
About Victor-Hugo
Victor-Hugo Vaca Jr., known on stage as the Maverick Artist Victor-Hugo, is an American artist, filmmaker, author and journalist, and the founder of the Modern Art Music Movement (MAMM), which brings together art, music, film, fashion and literature. At live “MAMM Jams,” he paints on stage alongside bands and DJs, translating the music into color on canvas, and he describes his reporting style as modern-art-gonzo-journalism. His catalog includes more than 1,000 original works, and his art has been exhibited in Miami during Art Basel week and in New York, among other venues. A native New Yorker who attended the US Naval Academy, he now hosts his show from the Republic of Georgia.
Website: victorhugocollection.com
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